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		<title>By: CiscoFreak</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/02/07/cisco-otv-moving-vms-across-data-centers/comment-page-1/#comment-64707</link>
		<dc:creator>CiscoFreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are you Truman? It was a wonderful debate. learned lot nuances about OTV and other L2VPN technologies. please come back and have more discussions here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are you Truman? It was a wonderful debate. learned lot nuances about OTV and other L2VPN technologies. please come back and have more discussions here</p>
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		<title>By: CiscoTech2011</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/02/07/cisco-otv-moving-vms-across-data-centers/comment-page-1/#comment-54168</link>
		<dc:creator>CiscoTech2011</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 20:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have worked with Cisco Nexus for the last 3yrs. And its the most eastest Deployed Design to come along in a long time.. Keep Up The Good Work Cisco &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked with Cisco Nexus for the last 3yrs. And its the most eastest Deployed Design to come along in a long time.. Keep Up The Good Work Cisco &#8221;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Magdi Hanna</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/02/07/cisco-otv-moving-vms-across-data-centers/comment-page-1/#comment-20106</link>
		<dc:creator>Magdi Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the technology available today for deploying? Whom have the expertise with that in Unite Arab Emirates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the technology available today for deploying? Whom have the expertise with that in Unite Arab Emirates?</p>
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		<title>By: shah</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/02/07/cisco-otv-moving-vms-across-data-centers/comment-page-1/#comment-12337</link>
		<dc:creator>shah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a flavor of this work in IETF L2VPN working group, called IPLS.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls-09

Cisco engineers are co-authors of this work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a flavor of this work in IETF L2VPN working group, called IPLS.</p>
<p><a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls-09" rel="nofollow">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-ipls-09</a></p>
<p>Cisco engineers are co-authors of this work.</p>
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		<title>By: James Ewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No more Truman?  Too bad, I liked the debate. 

James Ewing 
Cisco Systems</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more Truman?  Too bad, I liked the debate. </p>
<p>James Ewing<br />
Cisco Systems</p>
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		<title>By: NetworkTechGirl</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/02/07/cisco-otv-moving-vms-across-data-centers/comment-page-1/#comment-11934</link>
		<dc:creator>NetworkTechGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Victor, what exactly do you do for Cisco? 

FP, Cisco is fully committed to supporting MPLS across the entire product line, including the Nexus 7000. &lt;b&gt;We&lt;/b&gt; are also committed to customer success and therefore provide innovative functionality designed to simplify network operations and optimize network services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Victor, what exactly do you do for Cisco? </p>
<p>FP, Cisco is fully committed to supporting MPLS across the entire product line, including the Nexus 7000. <b>We</b> are also committed to customer success and therefore provide innovative functionality designed to simplify network operations and optimize network services.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truman... is it true you work for Juniper? Have you considered disclosing this and being transparent like the guys at Cisco on this blog have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truman&#8230; is it true you work for Juniper? Have you considered disclosing this and being transparent like the guys at Cisco on this blog have?</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Moreno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor Moreno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Truman,

My reference to L3 is not with respect to using an L3 transport to carry the encapsulated traffic, as you state this has been done for years. What OTV does is treat the L2 traffic that is going over the overlay in a way that allows flood/failure control as well as multi-pathing comparable to what is available for Layer 3 traffic. Although OTV handles Ethernet traffic in a different way, Ethernet data streams remain unaltered while large diameter Ethernet limitations are addressed.

OTV is available on Nexus 7000 today, and will be available across the broader Cisco product line in the near future.

FP, Cisco is fully committed to supporting MPLS across the entire product line, including the Nexus 7000. We are also committed to customer success and therefore provide innovative functionality designed to simplify network operations and optimize network services. The &quot;wheel&quot; that is not to be re-invented is the network design, the point is that the functionality can be added seamlessly to the network without requiring a re-design of affected Layer 2 domains or the network backbone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Truman,</p>
<p>My reference to L3 is not with respect to using an L3 transport to carry the encapsulated traffic, as you state this has been done for years. What OTV does is treat the L2 traffic that is going over the overlay in a way that allows flood/failure control as well as multi-pathing comparable to what is available for Layer 3 traffic. Although OTV handles Ethernet traffic in a different way, Ethernet data streams remain unaltered while large diameter Ethernet limitations are addressed.</p>
<p>OTV is available on Nexus 7000 today, and will be available across the broader Cisco product line in the near future.</p>
<p>FP, Cisco is fully committed to supporting MPLS across the entire product line, including the Nexus 7000. We are also committed to customer success and therefore provide innovative functionality designed to simplify network operations and optimize network services. The &#8220;wheel&#8221; that is not to be re-invented is the network design, the point is that the functionality can be added seamlessly to the network without requiring a re-design of affected Layer 2 domains or the network backbone.</p>
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		<title>By: FP</title>
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		<dc:creator>FP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree...this seems contrary to the way the industry is moving. It also seems to be a statement from Cisco that the 7000 won&#039;t have MPLS feature set that is currently the de-facto standard of doing these things. The best quote from the document has got to be this one;

“This way the server team can move virtual servers and the network team doesn’t have to reinvent the wheel,”

But they are re-inventing the wheel.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree&#8230;this seems contrary to the way the industry is moving. It also seems to be a statement from Cisco that the 7000 won&#8217;t have MPLS feature set that is currently the de-facto standard of doing these things. The best quote from the document has got to be this one;</p>
<p>“This way the server team can move virtual servers and the network team doesn’t have to reinvent the wheel,”</p>
<p>But they are re-inventing the wheel&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Truman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Omar, while I agree that in implementation the procedure may be simple, the mechanics behind OTV remain somewhat of an abstraction of a rather complicated nature; a nature that has for many years burned networks.

For example, the fact that OTV has a difference in signaling properties on unicast vs. multicast-enabled networks. This functionality seems rather superfluous in that if we *simply* extended a layer 2 network (by MPLS/VPLS/PWE3/dark fiber/etc) we would be able to handle any type of ethernet frames regardless of unicast vs. multicast traffic types. This also begs the question on how MLD/IPv6 multicast is handled by OTV?

Secondly, I would cringe at the concept of using proxy arp between sites as a feature, and yet this is the recommended method in connecting DCs. Verifying true reachability (at a layer 2 basis) is abstracted by networking methods that have caused worlds of pain for the past 15 years. 

While MPLS technologies have their faults, when you encapsulate ethernet frames on ingress, you get an unadulterated ethernet frame on the other side. All the basic networking functions that hosts do (ie. arp, broadcast, multicast, etc) work exactly as if the ethernet cable were across the room. The same can not be said for OTV.

Victor, EoMPLS/PWE3/VPLS technologies can be tunneled over IP networks today. Many people are doing this right now because it has worked for 10 years, it&#039;s part of IETF standards that are adopted by the top 5 vendors, and it&#039;s the same constructs that are used in normal networks.

Lastly, OTV, as far as I understand is a NX-OS feature. This means that in order to deploy this I need a NEXUS switch. What about all the 65xx or other devices with MPLS that I already have? What if the other disaster recovery site doesn&#039;t have a nexus 7k, I am out of luck.

While OTV does some sexy things, I just don&#039;t think we are looking at anything that is ground breaking. Been there, done that ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Omar, while I agree that in implementation the procedure may be simple, the mechanics behind OTV remain somewhat of an abstraction of a rather complicated nature; a nature that has for many years burned networks.</p>
<p>For example, the fact that OTV has a difference in signaling properties on unicast vs. multicast-enabled networks. This functionality seems rather superfluous in that if we *simply* extended a layer 2 network (by MPLS/VPLS/PWE3/dark fiber/etc) we would be able to handle any type of ethernet frames regardless of unicast vs. multicast traffic types. This also begs the question on how MLD/IPv6 multicast is handled by OTV?</p>
<p>Secondly, I would cringe at the concept of using proxy arp between sites as a feature, and yet this is the recommended method in connecting DCs. Verifying true reachability (at a layer 2 basis) is abstracted by networking methods that have caused worlds of pain for the past 15 years. </p>
<p>While MPLS technologies have their faults, when you encapsulate ethernet frames on ingress, you get an unadulterated ethernet frame on the other side. All the basic networking functions that hosts do (ie. arp, broadcast, multicast, etc) work exactly as if the ethernet cable were across the room. The same can not be said for OTV.</p>
<p>Victor, EoMPLS/PWE3/VPLS technologies can be tunneled over IP networks today. Many people are doing this right now because it has worked for 10 years, it&#8217;s part of IETF standards that are adopted by the top 5 vendors, and it&#8217;s the same constructs that are used in normal networks.</p>
<p>Lastly, OTV, as far as I understand is a NX-OS feature. This means that in order to deploy this I need a NEXUS switch. What about all the 65xx or other devices with MPLS that I already have? What if the other disaster recovery site doesn&#8217;t have a nexus 7k, I am out of luck.</p>
<p>While OTV does some sexy things, I just don&#8217;t think we are looking at anything that is ground breaking. Been there, done that &#8230;</p>
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