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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/09/hosting-downtime-and-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-4894</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to run a tiny hosting company (2 servers, about 100 customers). IMHO, there&#039;s no such thing as 100% uptime. I certainly don&#039;t know of a hosting company anywhere that has never had a major outage.

 A responsible hosting company can put in all kinds of redundancy and backup policy and equipment - only to get hit by the Black Swan six sigma event. 

I think RackSpace&#039;s response is a credit to a company that is transparent and customer-centric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to run a tiny hosting company (2 servers, about 100 customers). IMHO, there&#8217;s no such thing as 100% uptime. I certainly don&#8217;t know of a hosting company anywhere that has never had a major outage.</p>
<p> A responsible hosting company can put in all kinds of redundancy and backup policy and equipment &#8211; only to get hit by the Black Swan six sigma event. </p>
<p>I think RackSpace&#8217;s response is a credit to a company that is transparent and customer-centric.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Salviski</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/09/hosting-downtime-and-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-4779</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Salviski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything should be 2N+1, including your customer communication.  Using multiple channels to communicate with customers, in the worst event of downtime, is crucial.

Twitter provides another external communication delivery mechanism to clients.

Mike@RackWire.com
http://twitter.com/rackwire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything should be 2N+1, including your customer communication.  Using multiple channels to communicate with customers, in the worst event of downtime, is crucial.</p>
<p>Twitter provides another external communication delivery mechanism to clients.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:Mike@RackWire.com">Mike@RackWire.com</a><br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/rackwire" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/rackwire</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Salviski</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/09/hosting-downtime-and-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-4764</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Salviski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RackSpace CEO makes a very accurate statement that should not be underscored when he says “Ultimately, the true test of a company is not how well it does at the top of its game, but how quickly it gets back up”.  Every single data center and data center professional has seen some sort of emergency downtime in their career, so blame for one mistake is a sign of inexperience.  Blame for the same mistake, that is another story.  RS has earned their position by years of un-interruption and great service, and how they handled the event and communicated with their clients is how their clients should judge them.

In response to the question posed by the article - the fact that some will kick you even when you are down is inevitable.  It has been going on for year and those that use less than ethical marketing tactics might have a few short-term wins, though they won’t be around 5 years from now.  We should all work hard to educate our clients to the different costs of risk mitigation (Tier1 colocation is way less expensive than Tier4 colocation), how we will communicate with them in the *very unlikely* event of a problem regardless of how large or small, and we should all support our fellow data center professionals that are faced with the same challenges that we are today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RackSpace CEO makes a very accurate statement that should not be underscored when he says “Ultimately, the true test of a company is not how well it does at the top of its game, but how quickly it gets back up”.  Every single data center and data center professional has seen some sort of emergency downtime in their career, so blame for one mistake is a sign of inexperience.  Blame for the same mistake, that is another story.  RS has earned their position by years of un-interruption and great service, and how they handled the event and communicated with their clients is how their clients should judge them.</p>
<p>In response to the question posed by the article &#8211; the fact that some will kick you even when you are down is inevitable.  It has been going on for year and those that use less than ethical marketing tactics might have a few short-term wins, though they won’t be around 5 years from now.  We should all work hard to educate our clients to the different costs of risk mitigation (Tier1 colocation is way less expensive than Tier4 colocation), how we will communicate with them in the *very unlikely* event of a problem regardless of how large or small, and we should all support our fellow data center professionals that are faced with the same challenges that we are today.</p>
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		<title>By: David Metcalfe</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/09/hosting-downtime-and-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-4762</link>
		<dc:creator>David Metcalfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been a number of problems this year,  from the attacks on government websites that shut down their service, data theft, and power failures due to the aging electric grid. Rather than become angry over it we all need to step up the damage control. 

These challenges are only going to increase in frequency as we become more reliant on data-centers. The e-Health initiatives alone are going to cause a major upsurge in data center activity. If we don&#039;t help each other sort this out now things are going to only get worse.

There&#039;s no excuse for failure, but don&#039;t you think in-fighting and anger will only lower credibility in the long run?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a number of problems this year,  from the attacks on government websites that shut down their service, data theft, and power failures due to the aging electric grid. Rather than become angry over it we all need to step up the damage control. </p>
<p>These challenges are only going to increase in frequency as we become more reliant on data-centers. The e-Health initiatives alone are going to cause a major upsurge in data center activity. If we don&#8217;t help each other sort this out now things are going to only get worse.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no excuse for failure, but don&#8217;t you think in-fighting and anger will only lower credibility in the long run?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/09/hosting-downtime-and-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-4759</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yan Ness: It&#039;s nice to see a comment submission from Online Tech that isn&#039;t a blatant sales pitch including the company&#039;s phone number. Pretty clear where you guys stand on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yan Ness: It&#8217;s nice to see a comment submission from Online Tech that isn&#8217;t a blatant sales pitch including the company&#8217;s phone number. Pretty clear where you guys stand on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: David Metcalfe</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/09/hosting-downtime-and-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-4758</link>
		<dc:creator>David Metcalfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching this play out has been quite inspiring in terms of a more positive spin to marketing and business intelligence. I work for a boutique data-center near Naperville, Illinois and our customer base is such that Rackspace isn&#039;t a direct competitor, but seeing how their situation has pointed to general aspects of the industry is very interesting. 

Watching how Rackspace has managed their accountability in the situation and seeing examples such as ServInt&#039;s response has given me a new perspective on business communications. Social networks have sped up the communication loop and we are all subject to failures when it comes to operations, whether it is down time or bad customer services, some things are just out of our control. It&#039;s inspiring to see companies supporting each other and driving each other to better service rather than going in for the kill when things get tough. 

After all, isn&#039;t it about the service that the end user gets rather than who provides it? The best rise to the top, and the more ethically they do it the better it is for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching this play out has been quite inspiring in terms of a more positive spin to marketing and business intelligence. I work for a boutique data-center near Naperville, Illinois and our customer base is such that Rackspace isn&#8217;t a direct competitor, but seeing how their situation has pointed to general aspects of the industry is very interesting. </p>
<p>Watching how Rackspace has managed their accountability in the situation and seeing examples such as ServInt&#8217;s response has given me a new perspective on business communications. Social networks have sped up the communication loop and we are all subject to failures when it comes to operations, whether it is down time or bad customer services, some things are just out of our control. It&#8217;s inspiring to see companies supporting each other and driving each other to better service rather than going in for the kill when things get tough. </p>
<p>After all, isn&#8217;t it about the service that the end user gets rather than who provides it? The best rise to the top, and the more ethically they do it the better it is for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Yan Ness</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/09/hosting-downtime-and-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-4754</link>
		<dc:creator>Yan Ness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Poor Customer

You can’t simultaneously stand up for RS’s and claim you’re customer-centric. 

We feel terrible for the many customers who were promised and sold uptime (self-healing networks, world-class data center etc.) only to have power to their servers lost. Our hearts go out to them. We do not feel sorry for RS and we think it’s an arrogant and self-centered to do anything but talk about the appropriate damaging of credibility to the entire industry.

Every vote of confidence for RS in this event is a vote AGAINST the customer and against the industry as a whole. We as an industry have to hold ourselves accountable for uptime or the entire industry will wither. 

It’s not just RS customers who suffer when they have an outage. All of us lose too. How? Because the pie (the market) is growing faster than any of us can take clients from each other. That’s the good news. Unlike really competitive industries (airlines, telecom, automobiles) we don’t have to worry too much about trying to eat each others’ slice of the pie when the pie is growing.  So, when RS, the “gorilla” in the industry, with by far the largest balance sheet on the planet in this market has multiple power outages, everyone asks “Maybe we should bring our servers back in house. Heck if RS can’t deliver power reliably how can anyone else? Maybe it’s just not a good idea.”  The pie stops growing and all we can do is begin to go after each other’s slice of the pie. 

When the biggest dedicated provider of managed servers to the world can’t keep the power on the entire industry hurts. We should be irate with RS and their failures, not apologizing for them. I feel sorry for their customers but not for RS.

So are we pissed at RS? Yes. Should they be incredibly trite, apologetic to all us competitors and all our clients as well? Yes. Without customers, there is no RS, no Online Tech and no managed hosting industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Poor Customer</p>
<p>You can’t simultaneously stand up for RS’s and claim you’re customer-centric. </p>
<p>We feel terrible for the many customers who were promised and sold uptime (self-healing networks, world-class data center etc.) only to have power to their servers lost. Our hearts go out to them. We do not feel sorry for RS and we think it’s an arrogant and self-centered to do anything but talk about the appropriate damaging of credibility to the entire industry.</p>
<p>Every vote of confidence for RS in this event is a vote AGAINST the customer and against the industry as a whole. We as an industry have to hold ourselves accountable for uptime or the entire industry will wither. </p>
<p>It’s not just RS customers who suffer when they have an outage. All of us lose too. How? Because the pie (the market) is growing faster than any of us can take clients from each other. That’s the good news. Unlike really competitive industries (airlines, telecom, automobiles) we don’t have to worry too much about trying to eat each others’ slice of the pie when the pie is growing.  So, when RS, the “gorilla” in the industry, with by far the largest balance sheet on the planet in this market has multiple power outages, everyone asks “Maybe we should bring our servers back in house. Heck if RS can’t deliver power reliably how can anyone else? Maybe it’s just not a good idea.”  The pie stops growing and all we can do is begin to go after each other’s slice of the pie. </p>
<p>When the biggest dedicated provider of managed servers to the world can’t keep the power on the entire industry hurts. We should be irate with RS and their failures, not apologizing for them. I feel sorry for their customers but not for RS.</p>
<p>So are we pissed at RS? Yes. Should they be incredibly trite, apologetic to all us competitors and all our clients as well? Yes. Without customers, there is no RS, no Online Tech and no managed hosting industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Deaderick</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/09/hosting-downtime-and-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-4752</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Deaderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent discussion on a very relevant and timely topic.  I have to wonder however if we would be discussing this today if clients demanded to see certifications by The Uptime Institute before selecting a hosting/colocation provider in the first place.  

It is a mystery to me why anyone running a data center would spend the tens or  hundreds of millions to build it, and stop short of the tiny cost of a qualified third party review by the people that designed the Tier standards in the first place.  If hosting providers want to talk about a more professional competition, shouldn’t this include being transparent with the customers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent discussion on a very relevant and timely topic.  I have to wonder however if we would be discussing this today if clients demanded to see certifications by The Uptime Institute before selecting a hosting/colocation provider in the first place.  </p>
<p>It is a mystery to me why anyone running a data center would spend the tens or  hundreds of millions to build it, and stop short of the tiny cost of a qualified third party review by the people that designed the Tier standards in the first place.  If hosting providers want to talk about a more professional competition, shouldn’t this include being transparent with the customers?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/09/hosting-downtime-and-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-4745</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the spirit of Reeds comments are well intended, they are not really realistic. Research how Ford has stepped up thier marketing and incentive programs to exploit GMs bankruptcy. Attempting to &quot;swoop in&quot; when an industry leader trips has been a part of the competitive landscape for centuries. Like others I agree that Rackspace handled thier outages as well as can be expected and should be applauded for thier openess, but that certainly doesn&#039;t give them a pass from normal competition. 

At the end of the day, tier power chain (or components thereof) failed. In an industry where we all claim &quot;N+ this&quot; and &quot;Tier that&quot; and &quot;five nines&quot;, you have to expect to be the target of a marketing attack when your &quot;stuff don&#039;t work&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the spirit of Reeds comments are well intended, they are not really realistic. Research how Ford has stepped up thier marketing and incentive programs to exploit GMs bankruptcy. Attempting to &#8220;swoop in&#8221; when an industry leader trips has been a part of the competitive landscape for centuries. Like others I agree that Rackspace handled thier outages as well as can be expected and should be applauded for thier openess, but that certainly doesn&#8217;t give them a pass from normal competition. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, tier power chain (or components thereof) failed. In an industry where we all claim &#8220;N+ this&#8221; and &#8220;Tier that&#8221; and &#8220;five nines&#8221;, you have to expect to be the target of a marketing attack when your &#8220;stuff don&#8217;t work&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob La Gesse</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/09/hosting-downtime-and-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-4742</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob La Gesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your post. We applaud ServInt for both their sentiments, and the fact that they are an honorable competitor.  You have to respect honest competition!

When we experience customer issues we focus on customers first, communications a very close second. Get the servers up, get the message out.   But we also realize that real-time status is becoming more and more expected - so we are delivering that via Twitter, our blog, etc.

We will NEVER respond quickly enough to customer outages.  We want to eliminate them.  But when they do occur we want to be open, and honest and we want to do so as quickly as possible.

Thanks again,

Rob

Rob La Gesse
Director of Customer Development
Rackspace
210-845-4440</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your post. We applaud ServInt for both their sentiments, and the fact that they are an honorable competitor.  You have to respect honest competition!</p>
<p>When we experience customer issues we focus on customers first, communications a very close second. Get the servers up, get the message out.   But we also realize that real-time status is becoming more and more expected &#8211; so we are delivering that via Twitter, our blog, etc.</p>
<p>We will NEVER respond quickly enough to customer outages.  We want to eliminate them.  But when they do occur we want to be open, and honest and we want to do so as quickly as possible.</p>
<p>Thanks again,</p>
<p>Rob</p>
<p>Rob La Gesse<br />
Director of Customer Development<br />
Rackspace<br />
210-845-4440</p>
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