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		<title>By: Open Source Trends: potrà Davide battere Golia anche nel cloud computing? - Stalkk.ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Source Trends: potrà Davide battere Golia anche nel cloud computing? - Stalkk.ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] un magico (e meraviglioso) piccolo trend chiamato open source, dice un articolo di RedMonk che cita la frase di Matt Mullenweg &quot;My challenge to everyone competing with Amazon, Google and Microsoft is to remember that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Open Source and the Cloud: Where’s the LAMP? &#124; Tech-monkey.info Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Source and the Cloud: Where’s the LAMP? &#124; Tech-monkey.info Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “My challenge to everyone competing with Amazon, Google and Microsoft is to remember that you’re competing with Amazon, Google and Microsoft. These are strong technology companies, and if you’re going to compete with them, open source is the only way to do that. Otherwise, you have no leverage.” &#8211; Matt Mullenweg [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] “My challenge to everyone competing with Amazon, Google and Microsoft is to remember that you’re competing with Amazon, Google and Microsoft. These are strong technology companies, and if you’re going to compete with them, open source is the only way to do that. Otherwise, you have no leverage.” &#8211; Matt Mullenweg [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tecosystems &#187; Open Source and the Cloud: Where&#8217;s the LAMP?</title>
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		<dc:creator>tecosystems &#187; Open Source and the Cloud: Where&#8217;s the LAMP?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “My challenge to everyone competing with Amazon, Google and Microsoft is to remember that you’re competing with Amazon, Google and Microsoft. These are strong technology companies, and if you’re going to compete with them, open source is the only way to do that. Otherwise, you have no leverage.” &#8211; Matt Mullenweg [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] “My challenge to everyone competing with Amazon, Google and Microsoft is to remember that you’re competing with Amazon, Google and Microsoft. These are strong technology companies, and if you’re going to compete with them, open source is the only way to do that. Otherwise, you have no leverage.” &#8211; Matt Mullenweg [...]</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Links for June 29th through June 30th</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/25/mullenweg-open-source-trumps-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-4493</link>
		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Links for June 29th through June 30th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mullenweg: Open Source Trumps The Cloud &#171; Data Center Knowledge  Share This      This entry was written by linkposter and posted on June 30, 2009 at 3:00 pm and filed under Links. Bookmark the permalink. Follow any comments here with the RSS feed for this post. Post a comment or leave a trackback: Trackback URL.    &#171; Links for June 29th [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Le cloud computing, c’est du buzz, l’open source c’est la clef du succès &#124; Informatique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Le cloud computing, c’est du buzz, l’open source c’est la clef du succès &#124; Informatique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Le cloud computing, c'est du buzz, l'open source c'est la clef du succés &#124; Philippe.Scoffoni.Net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Le cloud computing, c'est du buzz, l'open source c'est la clef du succés &#124; Philippe.Scoffoni.Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric Novikoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Novikoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there&#039;s an either-or between open source and the Cloud.  In fact, our customers here at ENKI typically enjoy the benefits of both, and they have a certain synergy: by combining them, you pay only for what you need to run your business.   Pay for open source, you ask?  Yes, if you&#039;re using it in your business and making money from it, why not give something back.  If it&#039;s not code, then support the developers or their organization.  After all, it&#039;s responsible for your success!

I&#039;m going to go out on a limb here and say that if you want to run a professional web service of any sort, you should *never* use leased servers.   There.  I said it.  I can hear the objections coming now, so I&#039;ll address them:
1) Leased servers are cheaper than cloud.  As a cloud provider, I&#039;ll have to agree that the cost of a leased server is cheaper than cloud services for the same amount of CPU.  However, the cloud technologies available from many vendors today only allocate what you actually use, which means you need a *lot* less CPU to run your app than you would reserve with leased servers taking into account both growth and peak load.  That&#039;s good for the earth (less CO2) and you can share the savings with your friendly cloud provider who has the technology and knowledge to bring you the service.  All this ignores the other huge cost of leased servers which is the staff required to care for them.   Both Wordpress and Digg have spent a lot of money on salaries that wouldn&#039;t have been needed if they&#039;d purchased cloud services.
2) Leased Servers are under my control.  Well, how much control can you truly exert?  Most growing companies and startups can&#039;t hire or retain the level of expertise - or develop the level of experience - that a cloud provider can since they&#039;re aggregating demand and leveraging economies of scale.  That skill and experience is what &quot;controls&quot; the servers to keep them running successfully.  At a cloud provider, one well-trained engineer can keep 1000 servers running at 4-nines.  Can you?   Just being able to see the hardware and turn it on and off doesn&#039;t give you control: knowing how to manage it so it stays up and keeps your web site running successfully is the measure of control that you care about!
3) I can arrange leased servers in a way that gets me better performance and reliability than the cloud.   Well, if you believe this, then you haven&#039;t looked around at all the cloud providers there are out there.  Some of them offer virtual private data centers that can out-perform anything a corporate IT department can cook up - because they have the visionaries and engineers to do so.   Amazon is NOT the standard against which Cloud should be judged.  Amazon has done a great job of making cloud cheap and accessible to programmers.  They haven&#039;t focused on performance, uptime, manageability, or transparency.  You have to look elsewhere for that.

I think Matt&#039;s comments simply indicate that even the best and brightest in the industry are still confused about what Cloud is and isn&#039;t.   In my view it is a way to aggregate demand for a data center run under a highly automated virtualization management</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s an either-or between open source and the Cloud.  In fact, our customers here at ENKI typically enjoy the benefits of both, and they have a certain synergy: by combining them, you pay only for what you need to run your business.   Pay for open source, you ask?  Yes, if you&#8217;re using it in your business and making money from it, why not give something back.  If it&#8217;s not code, then support the developers or their organization.  After all, it&#8217;s responsible for your success!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to go out on a limb here and say that if you want to run a professional web service of any sort, you should *never* use leased servers.   There.  I said it.  I can hear the objections coming now, so I&#8217;ll address them:<br />
1) Leased servers are cheaper than cloud.  As a cloud provider, I&#8217;ll have to agree that the cost of a leased server is cheaper than cloud services for the same amount of CPU.  However, the cloud technologies available from many vendors today only allocate what you actually use, which means you need a *lot* less CPU to run your app than you would reserve with leased servers taking into account both growth and peak load.  That&#8217;s good for the earth (less CO2) and you can share the savings with your friendly cloud provider who has the technology and knowledge to bring you the service.  All this ignores the other huge cost of leased servers which is the staff required to care for them.   Both WordPress and Digg have spent a lot of money on salaries that wouldn&#8217;t have been needed if they&#8217;d purchased cloud services.<br />
2) Leased Servers are under my control.  Well, how much control can you truly exert?  Most growing companies and startups can&#8217;t hire or retain the level of expertise &#8211; or develop the level of experience &#8211; that a cloud provider can since they&#8217;re aggregating demand and leveraging economies of scale.  That skill and experience is what &#8220;controls&#8221; the servers to keep them running successfully.  At a cloud provider, one well-trained engineer can keep 1000 servers running at 4-nines.  Can you?   Just being able to see the hardware and turn it on and off doesn&#8217;t give you control: knowing how to manage it so it stays up and keeps your web site running successfully is the measure of control that you care about!<br />
3) I can arrange leased servers in a way that gets me better performance and reliability than the cloud.   Well, if you believe this, then you haven&#8217;t looked around at all the cloud providers there are out there.  Some of them offer virtual private data centers that can out-perform anything a corporate IT department can cook up &#8211; because they have the visionaries and engineers to do so.   Amazon is NOT the standard against which Cloud should be judged.  Amazon has done a great job of making cloud cheap and accessible to programmers.  They haven&#8217;t focused on performance, uptime, manageability, or transparency.  You have to look elsewhere for that.</p>
<p>I think Matt&#8217;s comments simply indicate that even the best and brightest in the industry are still confused about what Cloud is and isn&#8217;t.   In my view it is a way to aggregate demand for a data center run under a highly automated virtualization management</p>
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		<title>By: Open Source Cloud Computing Epiphanies and the Structure 09 Conference &#124; google android os blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Source Cloud Computing Epiphanies and the Structure 09 Conference &#124; google android os blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Center Knowledge did some nice analysis here on comments at Structure 09 from WordPress&#8217; founding developer Matt Mullenweg, regarding open [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What's A Datacenter Anyway? &#124; Dedicated Server School</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/25/mullenweg-open-source-trumps-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-4416</link>
		<dc:creator>What's A Datacenter Anyway? &#124; Dedicated Server School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fact, according to Data Center Knowledge, Matt Mullenweg has said that one of the biggest mistakes make by WordPress.com was buying its own [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I understand his points...especially about Amazon. With Amazons EC2 service you&#039;re basically leasing servers (which he advised) that are simply virtual cloud setups rather than physical systems. You are able to install an open source OS of your choice. Their entire cloud system is built on RHEL to my knowledge. So I&#039;m not sure I understand where using Amazon is not using open source. Its no different than hosting with any traditional service.

Now I agree that you can&#039;t grow bigger than your competitor by using your competitors software. Thats why I think its silly to see tech companies using MS since they like to compete with everybody on everything. But I&#039;m just not getting the anti-Amazon feelings here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand his points&#8230;especially about Amazon. With Amazons EC2 service you&#8217;re basically leasing servers (which he advised) that are simply virtual cloud setups rather than physical systems. You are able to install an open source OS of your choice. Their entire cloud system is built on RHEL to my knowledge. So I&#8217;m not sure I understand where using Amazon is not using open source. Its no different than hosting with any traditional service.</p>
<p>Now I agree that you can&#8217;t grow bigger than your competitor by using your competitors software. Thats why I think its silly to see tech companies using MS since they like to compete with everybody on everything. But I&#8217;m just not getting the anti-Amazon feelings here.</p>
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