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	<title>Comments on: HP Scales Out With New Cloud Servers</title>
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		<title>By: Defenestrator</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/10/hp-scales-out-with-new-cloud-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-4206</link>
		<dc:creator>Defenestrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem is that most datacenters aren&#039;t run by the people actually using them.  Other than a few big players, most datacenters are set up so that each customer can drop in a rack or partial rack of 1U/2U/whatever servers that will be plugged into CAT5 and 120V AC.  It&#039;s hard for something like per-rack power conversion and UPS to take hold when most datacenters already have a large UPS already built and running.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem is that most datacenters aren&#8217;t run by the people actually using them.  Other than a few big players, most datacenters are set up so that each customer can drop in a rack or partial rack of 1U/2U/whatever servers that will be plugged into CAT5 and 120V AC.  It&#8217;s hard for something like per-rack power conversion and UPS to take hold when most datacenters already have a large UPS already built and running.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Collins</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/10/hp-scales-out-with-new-cloud-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-4202</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeh i&#039;m still waiting for someone to explain to me why distributed power isn&#039;t more widely deployed.

i have 5 servers at home and it just seems like a given to power them from a single power supply?

even better if it incorporate the functionality that my UPS supporting these servers does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeh i&#8217;m still waiting for someone to explain to me why distributed power isn&#8217;t more widely deployed.</p>
<p>i have 5 servers at home and it just seems like a given to power them from a single power supply?</p>
<p>even better if it incorporate the functionality that my UPS supporting these servers does.</p>
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		<title>By: rajeev</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/10/hp-scales-out-with-new-cloud-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-4200</link>
		<dc:creator>rajeev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was waiting to hear somethign like this from HP ..only sad point is ..they have copied 100% IBM iDataPlex  so it looks like a mirror image of a exsisting solution . I was expecting something more innovative..something better then iDataPlex and Cisco USC solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was waiting to hear somethign like this from HP ..only sad point is ..they have copied 100% IBM iDataPlex  so it looks like a mirror image of a exsisting solution . I was expecting something more innovative..something better then iDataPlex and Cisco USC solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blade servers are pretty useless for large deployments (e.g. deployments that fill a whole building).  Most datacenter shells are built for 200-250 watts per square foot maximum and a lot of these designs are capable of &gt;1000 watts per square foot.  So I don&#039;t really know who they&#039;re aiming for with these super high densities, but not the Yahoos and Facebooks who know the density of their server rooms.

These servers really aren&#039;t that interesting - they are basically just slightly larger blades.  Proprietary motherboards means you&#039;re locked into HP for the form factor.  The Rackable CloudRack is kind of cool because you can put different ATX motherboards in there, but it&#039;s still too much case.  What would be a huge win is if someone designed a rack with a common AC/DC converter and an ATX power cable for each of 100 motherboards, and had some drive slots and big fans in the whole thing.  No extra metal, super cheap.  Even a cheap rack plus 2 PDUs costs around $2000, plus 40 or so chassis and power supplies cost $8000+.. so anything you could charge under $10k for the rack and power distribution itself would be a cost saving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blade servers are pretty useless for large deployments (e.g. deployments that fill a whole building).  Most datacenter shells are built for 200-250 watts per square foot maximum and a lot of these designs are capable of &gt;1000 watts per square foot.  So I don&#8217;t really know who they&#8217;re aiming for with these super high densities, but not the Yahoos and Facebooks who know the density of their server rooms.</p>
<p>These servers really aren&#8217;t that interesting &#8211; they are basically just slightly larger blades.  Proprietary motherboards means you&#8217;re locked into HP for the form factor.  The Rackable CloudRack is kind of cool because you can put different ATX motherboards in there, but it&#8217;s still too much case.  What would be a huge win is if someone designed a rack with a common AC/DC converter and an ATX power cable for each of 100 motherboards, and had some drive slots and big fans in the whole thing.  No extra metal, super cheap.  Even a cheap rack plus 2 PDUs costs around $2000, plus 40 or so chassis and power supplies cost $8000+.. so anything you could charge under $10k for the rack and power distribution itself would be a cost saving.</p>
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		<title>By: oldskool</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/10/hp-scales-out-with-new-cloud-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-4195</link>
		<dc:creator>oldskool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but the cooling is still front-to-back. VME and Compact PCI mount cards vertically so you can flow the air right from your under the floor aircon all the way up through the stack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but the cooling is still front-to-back. VME and Compact PCI mount cards vertically so you can flow the air right from your under the floor aircon all the way up through the stack.</p>
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		<title>By: tinkthank</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/10/hp-scales-out-with-new-cloud-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-4194</link>
		<dc:creator>tinkthank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cisco UCS = over priced enterprise servers.  It would not be caught dead in a scale out datacenter.

HP finally figured out that blades are no more power efficient than an optimized standard rackmount server, something their scale out customers have been telling them for over five years.  While the SL6000 is getting all the press the same half width system boards are used in the DL1000 which will likely have broader appeal.  The SL6000 is targeted at low margin high volume customers and are only a good fit for Microsoft, Yahoo, AIC, Facebook, and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cisco UCS = over priced enterprise servers.  It would not be caught dead in a scale out datacenter.</p>
<p>HP finally figured out that blades are no more power efficient than an optimized standard rackmount server, something their scale out customers have been telling them for over five years.  While the SL6000 is getting all the press the same half width system boards are used in the DL1000 which will likely have broader appeal.  The SL6000 is targeted at low margin high volume customers and are only a good fit for Microsoft, Yahoo, AIC, Facebook, and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if they will strip the casing off their blade servers. This kind of idea seems like a no brainer. But are they reducing the insane amount of packaging that a single fully populated blade center sheds on installation? Its basically a full skip bin worth of wood, cardboard and plastic for a 1/3 rack of servers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if they will strip the casing off their blade servers. This kind of idea seems like a no brainer. But are they reducing the insane amount of packaging that a single fully populated blade center sheds on installation? Its basically a full skip bin worth of wood, cardboard and plastic for a 1/3 rack of servers.</p>
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		<title>By: cmholm</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/10/hp-scales-out-with-new-cloud-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-4190</link>
		<dc:creator>cmholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like someone found religion after Google released photos of their server-on-a-sheet form factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like someone found religion after Google released photos of their server-on-a-sheet form factor.</p>
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		<title>By: cisco_guru</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/10/hp-scales-out-with-new-cloud-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-4182</link>
		<dc:creator>cisco_guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>even Cisco is annoucing rack-mounted server, the C-series. This to allow more entry-level customer to benefit of Unified Fabric, Extended Memory and so on that UCS blade offers today.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/ps10265/rack_mount_promo.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>even Cisco is annoucing rack-mounted server, the C-series. This to allow more entry-level customer to benefit of Unified Fabric, Extended Memory and so on that UCS blade offers today.<br />
<a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/ps10265/rack_mount_promo.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/ps10265/rack_mount_promo.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/10/hp-scales-out-with-new-cloud-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-4178</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is interesting. I though it was all about blade servers these days. I guess the cloud has put new life into rack mount servers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting. I though it was all about blade servers these days. I guess the cloud has put new life into rack mount servers.</p>
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