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	<title>Comments on: Bastionhost Buys Nova Scotia Data Bunker</title>
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		<title>By: Anton E. Self</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2008/12/16/bastionhost-buys-nova-scotia-data-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-12036</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton E. Self</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Browsing through the comments, a year and a quarter after this piece was posted...

Thanks for publishing this, Rich.  For some clarity, regarding the comments above:

-This bunker is a hardened box atop a vast groundwater cooling resource.  Gives us a PUE of under 1.1, scalable up to 15MW.  Power costs aren&#039;t everything.  Efficiency is.  We cool exclusively with an open-loop groundwater system, scalable to more than 10 million gallons per day.  No chillers, no compressors, no need for free airside economizers.  

-We don&#039;t really care about nukes.  But the government that built our bunker - for $30 million in today&#039;s dollars - included hydrogeology in their site-selection criteria 50 years ago, for cooling and air filtration needs.  Using groundwater to chill our IT critical load is so leading edge that we find comfort in over 35 years of daily logs, demonstrating beyond any doubt that we get water volumes at the temperatures we require (under 50 degrees F), year &#039;round.  

-Plus we get a nice, low-cost 64,000 sq ft box with 14&#039; ceilings, which our structural engineers say will last another 500 years, at a small fraction of the cost of building new shell stock.  Almost 30,000 square feet of new N+1 co-lo space is in the process of being refit downstairs, with all facilities in matching footprints on the level above.  This has the added benefit of not only keeping IT and facilities functions truly distinct, but gives us a 20&#039; heat sink above IT in a catastrophic event - enough to have a couple minutes to manually fire up our gensets if all else fails (and eliminating the need for UPS in our cooling array, if any given co-lo client chooses to forego it).

-Actually, the entire setup was indeed a closed system, like a submarine.  Power plants were (and some still are) indoors.  Of course we&#039;re deploying new backup diesels outside the building in the new build - why waste precious co-lo space for that?  In the age of distributed computing, there should be no Achilles heel, as above.  You just need site diversity.

-We acquired some nicely engineered shell stock at very low cost, with useful, diverse high-voltage power and fiber optic infrastructure nearby.  The site made sense to us.  But the clincher was the aquifer system.  Avoiding the capital cost of chiller plant saves us huge money, which enables us to be more price competitive than other co-lo providers.  I&#039;m building power densities of over 250 watts / square foot at under $500 / square foot.  No CRAC units either - only CRAHs.  

-The greenhouse image you removed from your post was indeed related to our site.  We&#039;re feeding local agricultural research / production with our free heat / warm water, with a greenhouse directly atop our underground plant.  Heat, after all, rises.  Most data centers blow it into the atmosphere.  We reuse it.  

With Canada&#039;s long, cold winters, it&#039;s beneficial to be in a business that generates abundant free heat.  We believe we&#039;re demonstrating something useful about the ways data centers can serve their communities.  The nearby agricultural college likes it.  Our agricultural endeavors also give us bona fide farm status, which lower our property taxes, and other related overheads (including diesel fuel costs).  Try saying that about your server farm.  I&#039;d rather see produce grown locally - fueled by free heat, a common data center waste product - than see refrigerated trucks ship it thousands of miles from California and Mexico.  + More carbon offsets.

-I don&#039;t think it takes one-cent kilowatts to justify site-selection criteria.  We&#039;re paying about seven cents now, and as we scale into higher purchasing volumes our tiered average will be in the five cent range.  With a PUE like ours - if we compare it to *your* data center - that&#039;s an effective rate of a third to less than half what we all pay - with nice carbon offsets to boot.

Come by and visit, guys.  We&#039;ll give you some real PUE metrics to sink your teeth into once we&#039;ve had a couple years&#039; operating history, post upfits.  



Yours in Dataville,



Anton E. Self
Chief Executive
Bastionhost Ltd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Browsing through the comments, a year and a quarter after this piece was posted&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for publishing this, Rich.  For some clarity, regarding the comments above:</p>
<p>-This bunker is a hardened box atop a vast groundwater cooling resource.  Gives us a PUE of under 1.1, scalable up to 15MW.  Power costs aren&#8217;t everything.  Efficiency is.  We cool exclusively with an open-loop groundwater system, scalable to more than 10 million gallons per day.  No chillers, no compressors, no need for free airside economizers.  </p>
<p>-We don&#8217;t really care about nukes.  But the government that built our bunker &#8211; for $30 million in today&#8217;s dollars &#8211; included hydrogeology in their site-selection criteria 50 years ago, for cooling and air filtration needs.  Using groundwater to chill our IT critical load is so leading edge that we find comfort in over 35 years of daily logs, demonstrating beyond any doubt that we get water volumes at the temperatures we require (under 50 degrees F), year &#8217;round.  </p>
<p>-Plus we get a nice, low-cost 64,000 sq ft box with 14&#8242; ceilings, which our structural engineers say will last another 500 years, at a small fraction of the cost of building new shell stock.  Almost 30,000 square feet of new N+1 co-lo space is in the process of being refit downstairs, with all facilities in matching footprints on the level above.  This has the added benefit of not only keeping IT and facilities functions truly distinct, but gives us a 20&#8242; heat sink above IT in a catastrophic event &#8211; enough to have a couple minutes to manually fire up our gensets if all else fails (and eliminating the need for UPS in our cooling array, if any given co-lo client chooses to forego it).</p>
<p>-Actually, the entire setup was indeed a closed system, like a submarine.  Power plants were (and some still are) indoors.  Of course we&#8217;re deploying new backup diesels outside the building in the new build &#8211; why waste precious co-lo space for that?  In the age of distributed computing, there should be no Achilles heel, as above.  You just need site diversity.</p>
<p>-We acquired some nicely engineered shell stock at very low cost, with useful, diverse high-voltage power and fiber optic infrastructure nearby.  The site made sense to us.  But the clincher was the aquifer system.  Avoiding the capital cost of chiller plant saves us huge money, which enables us to be more price competitive than other co-lo providers.  I&#8217;m building power densities of over 250 watts / square foot at under $500 / square foot.  No CRAC units either &#8211; only CRAHs.  </p>
<p>-The greenhouse image you removed from your post was indeed related to our site.  We&#8217;re feeding local agricultural research / production with our free heat / warm water, with a greenhouse directly atop our underground plant.  Heat, after all, rises.  Most data centers blow it into the atmosphere.  We reuse it.  </p>
<p>With Canada&#8217;s long, cold winters, it&#8217;s beneficial to be in a business that generates abundant free heat.  We believe we&#8217;re demonstrating something useful about the ways data centers can serve their communities.  The nearby agricultural college likes it.  Our agricultural endeavors also give us bona fide farm status, which lower our property taxes, and other related overheads (including diesel fuel costs).  Try saying that about your server farm.  I&#8217;d rather see produce grown locally &#8211; fueled by free heat, a common data center waste product &#8211; than see refrigerated trucks ship it thousands of miles from California and Mexico.  + More carbon offsets.</p>
<p>-I don&#8217;t think it takes one-cent kilowatts to justify site-selection criteria.  We&#8217;re paying about seven cents now, and as we scale into higher purchasing volumes our tiered average will be in the five cent range.  With a PUE like ours &#8211; if we compare it to *your* data center &#8211; that&#8217;s an effective rate of a third to less than half what we all pay &#8211; with nice carbon offsets to boot.</p>
<p>Come by and visit, guys.  We&#8217;ll give you some real PUE metrics to sink your teeth into once we&#8217;ve had a couple years&#8217; operating history, post upfits.  </p>
<p>Yours in Dataville,</p>
<p>Anton E. Self<br />
Chief Executive<br />
Bastionhost Ltd.</p>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s The Economy, Stupid &#187; The Diefenbunker to be data centre</title>
		<link>http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2008/12/16/bastionhost-buys-nova-scotia-data-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-5702</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s The Economy, Stupid &#187; The Diefenbunker to be data centre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] knew CoRDA was up to something - not sure what until [...]</description>
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		<title>By: New Democrats, Old Economy</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Democrats, Old Economy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of us, like Kelowna (which got its own $100M project last year), or like Nova Scotia (here and the converted Diefenbunker!). I even went so far as to meet with Conservative MP Rod Bruinooge, who expressed his support for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of us, like Kelowna (which got its own $100M project last year), or like Nova Scotia (here and the converted Diefenbunker!). I even went so far as to meet with Conservative MP Rod Bruinooge, who expressed his support for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>phoenexius: 

Yes, it appears you&#039;re right. I&#039;ve removed the photo, which Bastionhost is displaying on its web site but clearly has no relation to its data center projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phoenexius: </p>
<p>Yes, it appears you&#8217;re right. I&#8217;ve removed the photo, which Bastionhost is displaying on its web site but clearly has no relation to its data center projects.</p>
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		<title>By: chuckbag</title>
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		<dc:creator>chuckbag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much you want to bet they keep the generators up topside so that the Achilles heal of the infrastructure is a soft target?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much you want to bet they keep the generators up topside so that the Achilles heal of the infrastructure is a soft target?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Goolsbee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Goolsbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really understand the attraction of a &quot;cold war bunker&quot; facility as a datacenter site. The power and cooling infrastructure is over 40 years old, and designed for low-density people, not high-density servers. Your space for expansion is severely limited. You&#039;ll have to gut everything and rebuild it to modern specs anyway. So, unless the local grid power is being offered at a penny a kW/hr, at that point what do you have that is different from any other industrial building site? Other than the fact that it is a bunker?  

Oh yeah, you can survive a nuclear strike. If that becomes a serious shopping point for colocation I think it is time to get out of the business. 

--chuck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really understand the attraction of a &#8220;cold war bunker&#8221; facility as a datacenter site. The power and cooling infrastructure is over 40 years old, and designed for low-density people, not high-density servers. Your space for expansion is severely limited. You&#8217;ll have to gut everything and rebuild it to modern specs anyway. So, unless the local grid power is being offered at a penny a kW/hr, at that point what do you have that is different from any other industrial building site? Other than the fact that it is a bunker?  </p>
<p>Oh yeah, you can survive a nuclear strike. If that becomes a serious shopping point for colocation I think it is time to get out of the business. </p>
<p>&#8211;chuck</p>
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		<title>By: phoenexius</title>
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		<dc:creator>phoenexius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Photo???   Looks an awful lot like the glass house at National Botanic Garden of Wales</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Photo???   Looks an awful lot like the glass house at National Botanic Garden of Wales</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda half expected the teletubbies to come bounding over that hill ....</description>
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