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	<title>Comments on: Generator Failures Caused 365 Main Outage</title>
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		<title>By: John Nagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>365 Main&#039;s technical analysis of the failure is here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.365main.com/status_update.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.365main.com/status_update.html&lt;/a&gt;

They have ten Hitec continuous power units.  Each unit has a generator, motor, flywheel, inductive coupling, mechanical clutch, and Diesel engine on the same shaft.  There are no batteries or inverters involved.  They need eight running units to operate the facility.  When utility power failed, four of the ten units failed to start properly. They&#039;re still trying to figure out exactly why.  People from Hitec&#039;s Holland HQ, including a member of Hitec&#039;s Board of Directors, are on site.

365 Main reports that utility power didn&#039;t simply fail; there were &quot;4-6 repetitive surges to the facility in a short period of time&quot;.  This apparently was mishandled by the Diesel start control system.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>365 Main&#8217;s technical analysis of the failure is here: <a href="http://www.365main.com/status_update.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.365main.com/status_update.html</a></p>
<p>They have ten Hitec continuous power units.  Each unit has a generator, motor, flywheel, inductive coupling, mechanical clutch, and Diesel engine on the same shaft.  There are no batteries or inverters involved.  They need eight running units to operate the facility.  When utility power failed, four of the ten units failed to start properly. They&#8217;re still trying to figure out exactly why.  People from Hitec&#8217;s Holland HQ, including a member of Hitec&#8217;s Board of Directors, are on site.</p>
<p>365 Main reports that utility power didn&#8217;t simply fail; there were &#8220;4-6 repetitive surges to the facility in a short period of time&#8221;.  This apparently was mishandled by the Diesel start control system.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael T. Halligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael T. Halligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be a customer of 365main, but thankfully completed our migration to Seattle in May of this year.  It was the right move. Washington&#039;s power infrastructure is far better maintained, and less of a political target than the nightmare that is California&#039;s dilapidated power grid.. There isn&#039;t enough duct-tape or bailing wire west of the Mississipi to keep California&#039;s lights on, it seems.

This is the second or third serious transformer explosion at the Mission St Substation in the past 5 years.

As for 365main, well, here were our experiences:

In April, 2005 365main had an outage that affected all customers for 50 minutes due to a failed EPO valve. 365 handled that outage spectacularly, claling all of their customers within 15 minutes of the outage.

In February, 2006 365main experienced a partial outage for 3 seconds that only affected some customers, but caused problems in their Telco spine, affecting connectivity.

In October, 2006 365main had a backup generator fail, but supposedly no customers were directly affected, but customers were not allowed to enter the building between 3:29 PM and 4:40 PM.

This isn&#039;t that bad of a track record. Of course, 365main is the most expensive datacenter in California, and you&#039;d expect more.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be a customer of 365main, but thankfully completed our migration to Seattle in May of this year.  It was the right move. Washington&#8217;s power infrastructure is far better maintained, and less of a political target than the nightmare that is California&#8217;s dilapidated power grid.. There isn&#8217;t enough duct-tape or bailing wire west of the Mississipi to keep California&#8217;s lights on, it seems.</p>
<p>This is the second or third serious transformer explosion at the Mission St Substation in the past 5 years.</p>
<p>As for 365main, well, here were our experiences:</p>
<p>In April, 2005 365main had an outage that affected all customers for 50 minutes due to a failed EPO valve. 365 handled that outage spectacularly, claling all of their customers within 15 minutes of the outage.</p>
<p>In February, 2006 365main experienced a partial outage for 3 seconds that only affected some customers, but caused problems in their Telco spine, affecting connectivity.</p>
<p>In October, 2006 365main had a backup generator fail, but supposedly no customers were directly affected, but customers were not allowed to enter the building between 3:29 PM and 4:40 PM.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t that bad of a track record. Of course, 365main is the most expensive datacenter in California, and you&#8217;d expect more.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rotary no-break is not a new concept, and it&#039;s simple.  I can&#039;t believe that with monthly tests those generators would fail to start like that.  I think somebody&#039;s fudging those monthly tests, and I hope it costs them their job.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rotary no-break is not a new concept, and it&#8217;s simple.  I can&#8217;t believe that with monthly tests those generators would fail to start like that.  I think somebody&#8217;s fudging those monthly tests, and I hope it costs them their job.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelievable.  I have experienced this time and again.  Hosting facilities charge an arm and a leg for redundant power, pipe, and cooling, and yet constantly drop the ball always citing &quot;unforseeable&quot; factors.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable.  I have experienced this time and again.  Hosting facilities charge an arm and a leg for redundant power, pipe, and cooling, and yet constantly drop the ball always citing &#8220;unforseeable&#8221; factors.</p>
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		<title>By: DataGuy35</title>
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		<dc:creator>DataGuy35</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said it, Rich. These companies gotta have redundant sites. Check this out: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2007/07/02/story15.html?from_rss=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2007/07/02/story15.html?from_rss=1&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said it, Rich. These companies gotta have redundant sites. Check this out: <a href="http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2007/07/02/story15.html?from_rss=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2007/07/02/story15.html?from_rss=1</a></p>
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